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  今時今日做傳媒真係難搵食, 定係受眾越來越懶用腦???



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點解法拉利咁緊張有關 diffuser 賽例的傳釋呢? 更幾度向傳媒放風, 表示非常關注會否有車隊對 diffuser 規限玩踩剛線云云. 原來係買保險, 保護自己的 "新" 設計肯定唔抵觸賽例. 聰明

UNIQUE ENGINE MOUNTING IS 2010 FERRARI SECRET

Feb.10 (GMM)  The secret of Ferrari's new formula one car could be the unique angle of its engine mounting, according to reports.

Reports in France's Auto Hebdo as well as the Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport said the V8 unit has been fitted to the F10 with a 3.5 degree angle.

Sloping towards the front of the car, the idea was seen in the innovative Arrows A2 of 1979.

31 years on, the design in 2010 could provide crucial additional airflow beneath the car to feed the more sophisticated and larger 'double diffuser'.

"The new Ferrari has a very interesting mechanical solution; most of the secrets are hidden under the bodywork," technical director Aldo Costa is quoted as saying.

The reports said the innovation could have shaved "a few tenths" off the lap time of the 2010 Ferrari, which at Valencia last week was the most competitive car.

Designer Nikolas Tombazis admitted: "The diffuser is fundamental.  To maximise performance, we have revised the rear and better integrated various components.

"On the F10, it (the diffuser) is much larger and more efficient compared to previous seasons," he added.

The downside to a forward-angled engine mounting can be handling, because the centre of gravity of the rear of the car is heightened.

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Is it just me or the RB6 looks nearly the same as RB5?

And does anyone notice the VR-01 nose dips a little be like an Indy Car...? As in the fact that the VR-01 nose dips and it is sharper like an IRL car...

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原帖由 arthurchanny 於 2010-2-10 06:35 PM 發表
Is it just me or the RB6 looks nearly the same as RB5?

And does anyone notice the VR-01 nose dips a little be like an Indy Car...? As in the fact that the VR-01 nose dips and it is shar ...

你睇得冇錯 架 RB6 的外形的確和 RB5 沒有太大分別, 它是 RB5 的 evolution (進化版本), 或者讓我們聽聽它的設計者 Adrian Newey 的介紹 :-

This year's car, as you can see, is an evolution of last year's car. We've tried to look at which bits we feel we can still improve, but it has been more a question of packaging the fuel tank and optimising the double diffuser than the more normal evolution. We tried to refine and evolve it rather than go to new concepts. As a result, the car looks similar, with elements such as the chassis and pull-rod rear suspension retained.

Like everybody else, the near double-size of the fuel tank is a straightforward packaging problem. You can either go longer, higher or wider - or a combination of all three. Like everyone else, probably, we have done a combination. One of the downsides of going wider means that you have to make the radiators smaller if you are not very careful, which can compromise cooling.

We are somewhat longer in the chassis, but I don't think it is a big effect on the rest of the car. Everyone is now in a position where they have a wheelbase of somewhere around three metres, so an extra 100 millimetres, 3 percent of that, isn't a big factor.

Surprisingly, the aerodynamic effects of the narrow front tyre are quite small. The main difference of course is less front grip, which means a change in the weight distribution and a change in the set-up of the car. But it has not been a big effect on the aerodynamics.

We've stuck with the pull rod. Obviously with a single diffuser, I think the pull rod is a very elegant solution. But with a double diffuser it is a bit more difficult. There are far more pros and cons - but we felt overall that it was still a good solution.

To be perfectly honest, had we been push rod in the first place we probably would not have been pull rod, but having been on pull rod for a year, and trying to understand its strengths and weaknesses, we felt it was the right way to continue.



至於架 Virgin Racing 的 VR01, 個車鼻真係好尖播! 會唔會係淨靠 Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) 設計的產物呢?   即係話 : 沒經過任何風洞測試.
Newey 對此表示懷疑喎, 佢又有野講 :

"I think CFD is a very powerful tool, there is no doubt about it, and it is another way of simulating the real environment, a wind tunnel is a simulation of the real world.

CFD is an electronic simulation of a real environment, but it still has pitfalls - not least that every single run in CFD for a given attitude of the car, or ride height, or whatever it might be, is a discreet run. Whereas in the wind tunnel, what we call a normal run, will have 20 or more data points in it. In other words, that is equivalent to 20 runs in the CFD.

That is a limitation of size really, so your CFD cluster has to be that much bigger to do that many runs. And there are some areas that CFD physically doesn't capture as well as a wind tunnel - like basic aerodynamic properties.

So how well it turns out, we shall see. It is a different route, and my personal belief is that you still need to combine the two at the moment. But maybe their car will go very well and I will have to revise my opinion."

  日後便睇吓 Virgin Racing 的 chief designer Nick Wirth 會唔會剥佢棚牙啦!!

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咦!!! 架 RB6 車尾有個...噴火桶??? 錦就贏梗都得喇

第二幅相....邊鬼個砌架?我指係邊個黐炭纖水貼, 黐得咁渣架, 一條suspension都要黐成幾塊, 仲唔對紋添 梗係張以前剩埋的水貼碎料揍數夾夾埋埋啦, 哼, 咁慳就唔好買模型砌啦!



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Nick Wirth he is the man that is behind the Acura prototype (ARX-02, ARX-01) that won ALMS this year so we shall see if CFD works with F1 design as well as sports cars!

But again the traditional way is to use the wind tunnel...

Could that be the exhaust for the RB6 that whole you are pointing out? And if it is RB6 could have smoother air flow towards the back end due to the smoother sides...





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呢隊係..................

黑白雙.....鴨?鴛鴦?  定係贊助商廣告?

m_m 兄這幾幅相同水平角度的側面圖片非常好! 因為讓大家清楚見到一樣頗.....(又唔係好重要但都要考慮) 的有關因素 :- 車手的身材!!!

車手身材同騎師一樣要求, 越短小精悍越著數! 你睇吓阿朗素, 明顯比其餘車手"墜"左落去 cockpit 道, 頭盔對上的引擎入風位都阻少d啦! 仲有大家看不見的腳位呢!!!! 對設計師來說, 多出的空間是好重要的.

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係咪因為都係牛, 所以咁似樣呢



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係咪因為都係牛, 所以咁似樣呢

  再以另一角度睇吓似唔似?!?!



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我用箭咀指全紅牛 RB6 車尾的位置, 係個唔知有乜作用的窿, 應該唔係死氣喉出口, 因為已有新相片看得較清楚  
仲發現到唔只紅牛, 法拉利都有個窿, 不過細好多! 士平治又有, 不過形狀呈方形. 連新車隊維珍都有呀!!!



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相反, 以下幾隊就 "傳統" 了, 都係沒有那個窿的.

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哎呀!!!!
再睇真d, 架老麥又好似有條垂直窄長我窿喎??? 在尾翼支撐的前面.

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