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Aloson嚇鬼咩,你話鬥到一半我都信,未開始就話無極力子仲要最怏圈速,我就唔會信足佢講,我聽另外個板本係排擋有問題要用手指去轉檔,89年前的F1都無半自動排擋架喇

F-1 冇左全自動轉波幾年喇!!! 好似08年定07年已改例禁用全自動波, 用手指轉左幾年喇!
而家唔係冇左波段, 係極力子 "灣" 左, 即係要人手 (用腳) 做同步齒合的動作, 係得架!!! 手泳私家車, 如果係縱置波箱 (即係99.9%尾轆車) 都一樣可以唔踩極力子轉波 (即=冇極力子) !!!!!!!!!!!   當然一定要夾轉數夾得好準, 否則掃得幾掃就爛波箱!
F-1 絕對完全可能, 第二個車手都99.9%識, 只不過, 咁狀況都咁快就100% 唔係個個車手得!!!

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今時唔同往日, F-1 而家咁先進, telemetry data, sensors 多到數唔晒, 邊有得呃吖, 你睇吓08年畢奇仔一作污點證人, FIA 一攞當時的 data record, 即時現晒形架!

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三場素素都係黑仔.........
唔通真係黃頂車魔奏?





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三場素素都係黑仔.........
唔通真係黃頂車魔奏?

我係數據理性迷信派  <---- 即係乜呢?
喂喂, Vettel 係紅頂喎, 都黑左兩場呀!!! 老舒都係紅頂呀!!!

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Hamilton vs. Petrov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kGNnGAcT0
大家點睇 Hamilton 果幾下?
似唔似佢似唔想比Petrov鉤住所以先有過幾下 ? 還是有心頂 Petrov 呢?
btw, 部 renault 都唔係流喎

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原帖由 m_m 於 2010-4-5 09:44 發表
Hamilton vs. Petrov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kGNnGAcT0
大家點睇 Hamilton 果幾下?
似唔似佢似唔想比Petrov鉤住所以先有過幾下 ? 還是有心頂 Petrov 呢?
btw, 部 renault 都唔係流喎

個幾野我都好記得
會唔會係PETROV想食少D風到彎位過番HAMILTON呢
但我記得麥拿倫部車既尾翼係會做到亂流嫁喎





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幾下都係 Hamilton 抽開先, Petrov 跟住佢

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原帖由 獅象 於 2010-4-4 05:44 PM 發表
我見老舒的左尾轆已歪左, 少少掉掉fing, 應該唔關 wheel nut 事, 好可能係左撗濕 (drive shraft) 鬆脫???

真係 wheel nut 呀

Michael Schumacher - DNF "It was a shame that I could not finish the race but unfortunately the wheel nut on the left rear wheel was lost. The car suddenly became very unstable in turn six and I could hardly steer and had no drive left. I initially thought it was something to do with the suspension but after I stopped and had a look, it was evident that was a wheel nut missing. It is something very unusual to happen and in testing we never had problems so we have to look it. I would have obviously wanted to finish the race and I think it could have worked out quite reasonably well. But in the end that is motor racing, I remember that very well. It makes no sense to get angry about it, you have to accept it as part of the game and look ahead. At least Nico scored our first podium finish and I am happy for him and the team."

Ross Brawn, Team Principal "That was an excellent drive from Nico today and a first-class performance to secure his third career podium and the first podium for the MERCEDES GP PETRONAS team. We are delighted to have achieved the first podium for the Silver Arrows here in Malaysia and to be able to share the rewards of our hard work with our title partner PETRONAS at their home Grand Prix. My compliments to Nico for an assured performance today and over the weekend. Michael was in a good position after the start and we were looking forward to having a good race on his side but unfortunately it wasn't to be. The car lost a wheel nut which is a problem that we haven't experienced before. The wheel nuts are double-checked on the grid so we will investigate and put in place the necessary solutions."

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由於一級方程式爭標熱門麥拿侖和法拉利車手因前天的大雨影響了排位賽成績,故在昨天的馬來西亞站賽站,紅牛雙雄維迪及韋巴順利包辦冠、亞軍,反駁了最近有關紅牛戰車不可靠的批評。

德國車手維迪在之前的巴林站和澳洲站俱頭位出賽,但及後因機件問題而未能躋身三甲,紅牛戰車的可靠度隨即受質疑。維迪昨天排第3位出賽,開賽後率先搶出,並於首個彎角超越第2位的尼高羅斯保及頭位的紅牛隊友韋巴,該名德國車手一直領放至終點,韋巴屈居亞軍。維迪封王後表示﹕「經過首2站失意後,我們終於奪得應得的成績;我們今季擁有非常出色的戰車,兩星期後的中國站賽事我們有機會繼續稱霸。」尼高羅斯保則取得第3名,這亦是平治車隊今季首次站上頒獎台。

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至於昨天排在17和20位出賽的麥拿侖車手畢頓和咸美頓,急起直追下以第8及6名完成賽事,「黑帝」咸美頓表示滿意。另外,平治車隊的德國「車神」米高舒密加表現未有起色,今站未能完成賽事;排在19和21位出賽的法拉利車手艾朗素及馬沙,前者在餘下2圈時壞車退出,馬沙則取得第7名。

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原帖由 m_m 於 2010-4-5 09:44 AM 發表
Hamilton vs. Petrov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kGNnGAcT0
大家點睇 Hamilton 果幾下?
似唔似佢似唔想比Petrov鉤住所以先有過幾下 ? 還是有心頂 Petrov 呢?
btw, 部 renault 都唔係流喎

當時直播就咁睇, 確係幾礙眼  所以冇耐賽會對咸仔發出 "口頭警告". 不過........

車手在 "防守" 時的 "君子協定" 是:- 防守者可以 ***轉線*** 阻擋 (Blocking) 後面的進攻者 ***一次*** 簡稱封線.
而***轉線***是指明顯的非正常賽車線. 但現實是, 始終好難精確界定, 必然有灰色地帶.

舉一個大家可能較易明白的例子 : 早幾年的東望洋 WTCC, 大家熟悉的澳門葡京灣

當年巴西車手 Farfus 還仍是駕駛紅色的 Alfa 156, 為了保持領先優勢, 想盡辦法檔住啄著他尾的寶馬 (記憶中好似係派奧).
在出完東方灣 (右灣) 後的大直路, 理應保持在正常的賽道左邊 (即電視螢光幕的右邊) 來預備接著下一個的葡京灣 (右灣) 亦是扒頭熱點. Farfus 的選擇是, 一出完東方灣即時靠到最右 (即電視螢光幕的最左邊) 後面的寶馬為了想食氣流, 就焗住死跟. 房車的空氣動力學和方程式賽車分別好大, 食氣流會好著數. 去到 WTCC 的級數, 前烈的賽車/車手實力太接近, 唔食氣流就好難扒頭.

好嘞, 後面的寶馬如果跟到直路尾才抽頭外灣想過??? 唔駛旨意. 因為 Alfa 守住咁窄的葡京瀛內線是冇位過的.
咁, 早d抽出黎囉!?
Farfus 的妙計就在此!!!
你寶馬一抽向左 (電視螢光幕向右), Farfus 便慢慢一樣移向左邊 <---- 可聲稱回復到正常的賽車線, 便可以不被烈入 blocking!!!
( 再解釋為何要往左邊外線, 唔係一直保持內線咪得咩? 答案是: 外線的弧度較寬, 容許遲些落 brake 呀!!! )

到現已在外線 (左) 的寶馬想再抽向右邊的內線扒頭時, Farfus 便作出反應, 移右封線, 成功防守, 亦變成合法了!!!  

實際上 Farfus 是轉了兩次線的, 這就是灰色地帶了, 亦顯示了 Farfus 很有賽車腦袋, 很醒目. 我當時在現場的葡京看台, Farfus 第一次咁做時我們幾個車友都唔明他的舉動, 仲以為 "乜咁滕雞呀? 駛唔駛晨咁早就 "封" 定內線呀? 傻仔黎嘅...." 原來我們才是蠢材呢!!! 跟著個個圈 Farfus 都重複這個策略, 成功贏得那年的首回合賽事.


好嘞, 舉完例, 言歸正傳. 咁, 咸仔單野點睇呢.  我覺得 : 合法. 只是去得太盡, 變得礙眼咁姐. 亦解釋左為何賽會只是警告, 沒有罰. 實情是冇得罰! 何解?

因為上面所講的防守封線 (blocking) 是被動的反應性行為, 即是, 後面的進攻者先轉線作出進攻, 防守者才跟著轉往相同的方向來阻擋. 這才算是封線嘛!

而咸仔是先主動轉線來想賣甩你, 並非阻擋你的去路!!!!!!!!!!!!  你柏度夫可以唔跟家嘛, 柏是被動者, 請攪清楚!
就一如 Farfus 一出東方灣即往最右邊的動作, 一樣是主動, 不算入封線行為的.

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We all heard on the radio on Star Sports, the race stewards told McLaren it was fine, just dont do it again.

Kimi has done it before, Kobayashi did it against Jenson Button in a Toyota in Brazil 09, he was waving all over the place LOL! (Correct me if I m wrong)

I dont see the problem, Petrov is still a rookie and the blocking etc... it is all part of racing





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We all heard on the radio on Star Sports, the race stewards told McLaren it was fine, just dont do it again.

Kimi has done it before, Kobayashi did it against Jenson Button in a Toyota in Bra ...

這次馬拉站咸仔的動作是唔想被柏度夫 "勾" 到 slip stream 而想主動去 "避" 開.
09年巴西站小林的動作, 我覺得是 weaving, 即刻意干擾後面緊隨的對手, 是危險駕駛!!!
Kimi 的我唔記得了, 不能評論...

blocking ---- 有起碼的準則, 可一 (合法), 但不可再 ( 多過一次便好大機會被罰. 裁決權在 race stewards )
weaving ---- 是危險駕駛, 但沒有準則定義點樣先至係. 裁決權亦是在 race stewards.
逃避 slip streaming ---- 較易睇出, 冇乜問題. 況且 F-1 的 aero 咁複雜, 好取決於場地e.g. 直路夠唔夠長 + 速度 + 該場該賽車 (進攻者) 的基本 aero setup....etc 才知 slip streaming 有幾多用?!

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Thanks for clearing up mate!

Because F1 areo are so complex it is hard to have too much slip stream, dirty air can cause a lot of issues!





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這次馬拉站咸仔的動作是唔想被柏度夫 "勾" 到 slip stream 而想主動去 "避" 開.
09年巴西站小林的動作, 我覺得是 weaving, 即刻意干擾後面緊隨的對手, 是危險駕駛!!!
Kimi 的我唔記得了, 不能 ...

直播睇咸仔的動作真係做得幾難睇. 不過睇replay就見佢都係主動揪開唔比柏度夫勾住, 而唔係特登頂揪去頂人

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直播睇咸仔的動作真係做得幾難睇. 不過睇replay就見佢都係主動揪開唔比柏度夫勾住, 而唔係特登頂揪去頂人

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見到 Adrian Newey 講 McLaren 個 F-duct system 先知呢件不的停有人講幾好幾好o既野原來係咁運作


Adrian Newey says he is concerned with the safety issues of McLaren's innovative F-duct system.

The system works by the driver blocking and airflow vent to the rear wing by his knee in the cockpit, stalling the wing and giving as much as a 6mph advantage on the straights. And, whilst both Ferrari and Red Bull are looking at ways to introduce it to their cars, Newey fears that there could be a safety risk in the way drivers change the downforce dynamics of cars travelling at high speed.

"McLaren's F-duct is intelligent and opens new ways. However I'm worried about the safety aspect," Newey told The Gazzetta dello Sport. "The system works by stalling the rear wing and getting rid of the load. To force a driver to make a sudden movement to change normal load conditions has to do with safety.

"Many cars, including ours, have been re-designed around the double diffuser. The rhythm of development is high and the speed at which you bring new things remains fundamental. We are looking at the F-duct. We have understood how it works, but to get it to work properly is another thing. We don't know when we can take it to the track.

"The difficult thing is that McLaren has designed the chassis around that system, but the rules prevent you from modifying the chassis. Every new thing has to be included in the current structure."

Despite Newey's concerns, team boss Christian Horner said the team is working on incorporating the system onto the Red Bulls because of the straightline speed advantage the concept offers.

"It will be incorporated into an update at some point. The guys are looking at it," said Horner. "But it is a complicated piece of technology and it is important you get it right. We will introduce it when we are happy with the solution."


至於點解叫 F-duct, 網上面就有人話由於個入氣口個位剛剛係 Vodafone 個 "f" 字上面而 McLaren 又無正式提過呢個窿叫乜野,
所以叫下叫下就叫左做 F-duct. 聽下就算, 唔知真定假嫁  



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How Mclaren's "F-Duct" works ???



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"..........至於點解叫 F-duct, 網上面就有人話由於個入氣口個位剛剛係 Vodafone 個 "f" 字上面而 McLaren 又無正式提過呢個窿叫乜野,
所以叫下叫下就叫左做 F-duct. 聽下就算, 唔知真定假嫁  ........"

我估係d對手在未獲FIA認可前, 覺得是蠱惑野, 一時爆粗   所以應該叫 : "忽得"

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FIA: Ride height control systems are illegal


Formula 1 governing body the FIA has faxed all teams, informing them that any type of system which modifies a car's ride height levels whilst in action on-track would be illegal. Suspicions have been aroused in some teams over the likes of Red Bull, whose RB6 is rumoured to contain a device which generates more downforce by lowering the car in qualifying.

With cars carrying full fuel tanks this year in order to cater for the ban on in-race refuelling, competitors would gain a simple yet effective aerodynamic advantage should their car be able to run closer to the ground and therefore generate more downforce whilst running light in qualifying sessions.

However, although the rumours are no more than that, an FIA spokesperson has confirmed to Autosport that any ride height-changing part (such as the use of pressure-operated components, as mentioned in the paddock at Sepang last weekend) would not be allowed under the current sporting regulations

"Any system device or procedure, the purpose and/or effect of which is to change the setup of the suspension while the car is under Parc Fermé conditions, will be deemed to contravene article 34.5 of the sporting regulations," reads the FIA message received by Autosport.

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